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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2023 18:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wadetregaskis.com/z9-second-impressions/#comment-3281&quot;&gt;Wade Tregaskis&lt;/a&gt;.

I don’t believe you about the GPS harming the battery life that much. Unless you’re talking about the logging. 
It was probably a coincidence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wadetregaskis.com/z9-second-impressions/#comment-3281" data-wpel-link="internal">Wade Tregaskis</a>.</p>
<p>I don’t believe you about the GPS harming the battery life that much. Unless you’re talking about the logging.<br />
It was probably a coincidence.</p>
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		By: Wade Tregaskis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wade Tregaskis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2022 21:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wadetregaskis.com/z9-second-impressions/#comment-3280&quot;&gt;Jeff&lt;/a&gt;.

A solid-on satellite icon does &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; mean it will record the geolocation into photos taken.  It should, I agree, but I&#039;ve seen [rare] cases where it does not.  Possibly just an outright bug.

The battery life is clearly dominated by GPS recording.  When it&#039;s off I can get at least a whole day of use without any concerns.  When it&#039;s on, only half a day.

Thanks for the tip on GPS logging.  I still haven&#039;t really played with it.  I vaguely recall there was some reason I&#039;m not using it, but I can&#039;t recall right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wadetregaskis.com/z9-second-impressions/#comment-3280" data-wpel-link="internal">Jeff</a>.</p>
<p>A solid-on satellite icon does <em>not</em> mean it will record the geolocation into photos taken.  It should, I agree, but I&#8217;ve seen [rare] cases where it does not.  Possibly just an outright bug.</p>
<p>The battery life is clearly dominated by GPS recording.  When it&#8217;s off I can get at least a whole day of use without any concerns.  When it&#8217;s on, only half a day.</p>
<p>Thanks for the tip on GPS logging.  I still haven&#8217;t really played with it.  I vaguely recall there was some reason I&#8217;m not using it, but I can&#8217;t recall right now.</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2022 21:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: GPS lock - take a look at the display - if the &quot;satellite&quot; icon is blinking it does not have lock, if it is &quot;solid&quot; then you have lock

Re: Battery life... man I am getting a lot more battery life than you..I got about 20 hrs and 1,600 shots, it was split into four 4-6hr sessions
BUT.. I turn the GPS off when I am no longer using the camera... and yes, I am looking for a &quot;quick&quot; way (i menu or button... but nothing yet) to do that rather than going through the Setup -&#062; Location data menu.

FYI: If you GPS enable logging, it will not save it until you go into &quot;Location Data&quot; and turn off the &quot;Create Log&quot;... I turned off the &quot;Record location data&quot; twice and it totally looses any logs... does just fine if you toggle the Create... BUT the logs are NOT compatible .gpx logs (ARG)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: GPS lock &#8211; take a look at the display &#8211; if the &#8220;satellite&#8221; icon is blinking it does not have lock, if it is &#8220;solid&#8221; then you have lock</p>
<p>Re: Battery life&#8230; man I am getting a lot more battery life than you..I got about 20 hrs and 1,600 shots, it was split into four 4-6hr sessions<br />
BUT.. I turn the GPS off when I am no longer using the camera&#8230; and yes, I am looking for a &#8220;quick&#8221; way (i menu or button&#8230; but nothing yet) to do that rather than going through the Setup -&gt; Location data menu.</p>
<p>FYI: If you GPS enable logging, it will not save it until you go into &#8220;Location Data&#8221; and turn off the &#8220;Create Log&#8221;&#8230; I turned off the &#8220;Record location data&#8221; twice and it totally looses any logs&#8230; does just fine if you toggle the Create&#8230; BUT the logs are NOT compatible .gpx logs (ARG)</p>
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		By: Welcome to the Internet &#8211; Wade Tregaskis		</title>
		<link>https://wadetregaskis.com/z9-second-impressions/#comment-3264</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Welcome to the Internet &#8211; Wade Tregaskis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 20:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Rumors recently ran my Nikon Z9 second impressions as a guest post on their site. That was very flattering. It was also a novel experience for me [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Rumors recently ran my Nikon Z9 second impressions as a guest post on their site. That was very flattering. It was also a novel experience for me [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Wade Tregaskis		</title>
		<link>https://wadetregaskis.com/z9-second-impressions/#comment-3263</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wade Tregaskis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2022 18:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A commenter (&lt;a href=&quot;https://disqus.com/by/disqus_lcQrXJ6rlD/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Mike Dale&lt;/a&gt;), on &lt;a href=&quot;https://nikonrumors.com/2022/03/12/nikon-z9-camera-first-impressions.aspx/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;the Nikon Rumours repost&lt;/a&gt; of this post, had an interesting idea - displaying these condor images on an iMac and seeing if the Z9&#039;s focus behaviour was repeatable.

I figured it might be, but it turns out it&#039;s not really.  When I used the low-resolution versions from this post, the Z9 basically didn&#039;t recognise the head or eyes at all, ever.  At any focal length on the Sigma 150-600 C, at any distance I could fit within my office.  The Z9 did better in real life (not great, as I noted in the body of this post, but it at least sometimes caught the eye, or at least the nostril).

But, when I showed the same images via Lightroom - i.e. the full resolution versions - the Z9 was able to start finding the eye.  And interestingly it never thought the nostril was an eye.  But overall the subject-detection performance was still impractically poor - the AF box flittered rapidly and unpredictably around the screen (in 3D Tracking or Auto-area) including on the beak, the overblown sky, randomly next to but not on the eye, etc.  But most frequently on the neck feathers (mimicking the affinity for fluffy necks that I saw in reality).

I did find that significantly (1-2 stops) under-exposing the image made the eye detection work marginally better, against the iMac screen.  Matrix metering by default over-exposed a bit (quite explicably because of the black pillar-boxing &#038; iMac screen borders).

The behaviour was essentially the same with the 80-400G.

What does that tell us?  Not much, of course.  There&#039;s so many ways in which these two situations varied, that could impact AF behaviour.  I just thought it was an interesting thing to try.

Mike Dale apparently got quite different results, but with a different lens and likely other factors different as well (distance to iMac, screen brightness, lens, etc).  &lt;em&gt;Maybe&lt;/em&gt; it suggests that a native Z-mount lens like the 100-400 would work better.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised - I&#039;ve definitely seen that the native Z-mount lenses have much better autofocus accuracy and consistency than even Nikon F-mount lenses, let-alone 3rd party F-mount lenses.  Unfortunately Nikon don&#039;t make any lens - Z- or F-mount - equivalent to the 150-600 (though a 200-600 is on the Z roadmap, which I have my fingers crossed for).

In any case, the behaviour I&#039;ve described in this post isn&#039;t specific to that one situation or bird.  Generally I find the Z9 does a decent job in finding bird eyes, just not always.  The Condor was just an example of what happens when subject detection doesn&#039;t work well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A commenter (<a href="https://disqus.com/by/disqus_lcQrXJ6rlD/" rel="nofollow ugc external noopener" data-wpel-link="external" target="_blank">Mike Dale</a>), on <a href="https://nikonrumors.com/2022/03/12/nikon-z9-camera-first-impressions.aspx/" rel="nofollow ugc external noopener" data-wpel-link="external" target="_blank">the Nikon Rumours repost</a> of this post, had an interesting idea &#8211; displaying these condor images on an iMac and seeing if the Z9&#8217;s focus behaviour was repeatable.</p>
<p>I figured it might be, but it turns out it&#8217;s not really.  When I used the low-resolution versions from this post, the Z9 basically didn&#8217;t recognise the head or eyes at all, ever.  At any focal length on the Sigma 150-600 C, at any distance I could fit within my office.  The Z9 did better in real life (not great, as I noted in the body of this post, but it at least sometimes caught the eye, or at least the nostril).</p>
<p>But, when I showed the same images via Lightroom &#8211; i.e. the full resolution versions &#8211; the Z9 was able to start finding the eye.  And interestingly it never thought the nostril was an eye.  But overall the subject-detection performance was still impractically poor &#8211; the AF box flittered rapidly and unpredictably around the screen (in 3D Tracking or Auto-area) including on the beak, the overblown sky, randomly next to but not on the eye, etc.  But most frequently on the neck feathers (mimicking the affinity for fluffy necks that I saw in reality).</p>
<p>I did find that significantly (1-2 stops) under-exposing the image made the eye detection work marginally better, against the iMac screen.  Matrix metering by default over-exposed a bit (quite explicably because of the black pillar-boxing &amp; iMac screen borders).</p>
<p>The behaviour was essentially the same with the 80-400G.</p>
<p>What does that tell us?  Not much, of course.  There&#8217;s so many ways in which these two situations varied, that could impact AF behaviour.  I just thought it was an interesting thing to try.</p>
<p>Mike Dale apparently got quite different results, but with a different lens and likely other factors different as well (distance to iMac, screen brightness, lens, etc).  <em>Maybe</em> it suggests that a native Z-mount lens like the 100-400 would work better.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised &#8211; I&#8217;ve definitely seen that the native Z-mount lenses have much better autofocus accuracy and consistency than even Nikon F-mount lenses, let-alone 3rd party F-mount lenses.  Unfortunately Nikon don&#8217;t make any lens &#8211; Z- or F-mount &#8211; equivalent to the 150-600 (though a 200-600 is on the Z roadmap, which I have my fingers crossed for).</p>
<p>In any case, the behaviour I&#8217;ve described in this post isn&#8217;t specific to that one situation or bird.  Generally I find the Z9 does a decent job in finding bird eyes, just not always.  The Condor was just an example of what happens when subject detection doesn&#8217;t work well.</p>
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